the defense budget has to be part of this, too. it's -- some of these rich guys are willing to put defense on the table, good for them. some of them may not be so wild about that. and you know, if defense isn't part of the deal, then again it's not a serious deal. we'll see what they do. >> i have to point out these are the big business leaders that are getting interviewed that have gone around talking about the insecurity in the market, insecurity in the economy. i don't know. the early reports, e.j. dion is that black friday was pretty damn good, the weekend was strong and cyber-monday is pretty good. this fear talk doesn't seem to be playing on the consumer right now. thanks so much. >> good to be with you. >> john mccain abruptly changes his tune on susan rice. how does this guy have any credibility left whatsoever? mike it will tumaski has written about it and will weigh in next. >>> then the republicans are finally getting real. we'll have the new revelations about their bid to block the vote. and what it means in, yes, the n